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Uncle Phil
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Username: phil_d
Post Number: 1197
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 08:48 pm: |
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Just turned over 100,000 miles while out riding on the Natchez Trace. Also completed my 49 state picture album (for the second time) with RedBird in each picture (Thanks Coop for the challenge! ) My question to the wrenches amongst us - What sort of maintenance should be done? The valves are fine, carbs are fine, all fluids were recently changed, rear shock replaced, front springs replaced, brake pads done. I know of 2 -
1. Timing belt
2. Hoses
She has run the 100,000 and never left me stranded on the side of the road. The only 'repair' (besides a little body work now and then) has been front fork seals. Anything else I am missing? |
Rhonda Griswold
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Username: rhonda_griswold
Post Number: 245
Registered: 02-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 09:42 pm: |
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Phil, I don't know about any repairs, just wanted to say congrats on the mark! I haven't been to all of the lower 48 via any means, let alone on the Redbird twice!! Way to go!!!! Impressive. |
Pat Colgan
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Username: liketohelp
Post Number: 43
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 10:12 pm: |
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Hey Phil, A site you may be interested in,WWW.pan-europe.utvinternet.ie/guides/extended_maintenance_schedule.htm You can choose milage or Kilometer service charts.,,,Be easier for you to click link as there is a _ between extended and maintenance and schedule,,,Pat |
Scott Brown
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Username: sbrownfnp
Post Number: 516
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 10:46 pm: |
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Phil: Congrats to you and the Redbird. Besides what you've already mentioned and assuming you've already changed the coolant a couple of times, the only other thing I'd look at is the condition of the rotors. |
Tim Vipond
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Username: tim_vipond
Post Number: 78
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 12:51 am: |
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Congrats on the 100K. I put 135K miles on my '91 when I sold it. The only other items that come to mind are Wheel bearings, steering head bearings, speedometer cable and drive, instrument light bulbs, the little cylinder insert in the clutch lever, maintenance free battery. That's all I can think of right now. |
Uncle Phil
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Username: phil_d
Post Number: 1199
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 03:25 am: |
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TIM - I usually grease my speedometer cable end with moly 50. Should I pull the cable out and do a visual inspection? If the meter reads steady, should I be concerned about it? Also on the wheel bearings, is there a check you can do besides a visual? Believe it or not, I still have the original battery that came new in the bike in 1997. I've had it checked at every major service and it checks fine.
SCOTT - What should I look for on the rotors? Cracks or discoloration? They visually look pretty good.
RHONDA - I feel very fortunate to have had the time and money to have travelled as much as I have. Travelling around is just like riding locally except you wake up in a different town each night! |
Tim Vipond
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Username: tim_vipond
Post Number: 80
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 04:04 am: |
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Uncle Phil - The speedometer cable will give very little warning of failure. I'd say inspect it and if it looks well lubed, the inner cable turns freely and is rust free, it might be OK.
If you've never replaced the wheel bearings, I'd listen to them when you spin the wheels off the bike, such as when you balance them. If you hear a click, click noise or they feel rough when you turn them with your finger, or they don't allow the tire to rock slightly back and forth while balancing, replace them. I replaced mine around every 30 to 50,000 miles.
Since you've had the same battery for 7 years and 100,000 miles, I'd replace it with a gel maintenance free battery.
If you've never had to replace any of the above, you have had great luck. Most people would have replaced all of the above by now. |
Snakebite
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Username: jerryr
Post Number: 701
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 05:29 am: |
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Congratulations Phil. I'm happy to have been along for some of thise miles. |
Phil Fleming
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Username: seattlephil1300
Post Number: 238
Registered: 01-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 07:24 am: |
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Congradulations Phil, 100,000 safe and memorable miles is a terrific accomplishment. I remember you sharing this 10 feet with me as you gamely charged into my garage. Unless you notice the collapsed rear suspension, you might think this was easy. Probably didn't help some of those bearings any.
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John Nagle
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Username: saaz
Post Number: 27
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 11:18 am: |
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Congratulations.
All the normal stuff has been mentioned. Most other items like wheel bearings could be replaced, but who knows how long they go for? Otherwise just listen for anything else that me be on the way out. |
Craig Severson
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Username: craig_severson
Post Number: 2801
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 01:40 pm: |
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Phil-
at 100k, I think it's high time that you change your oil.
Regarding the rotors, there is a minimum thickness spec for that's usually stamped on the inner framework of the rotor. It's in millimeters, so use a pair of your SAE calipers to get an OD, and convert using 2.54. (where's that "engineers" thread again?)I saw Scott Brown's bike this summer, and his rotors were at the lower spec and looked like a couple of laser discs bolted to his rims, they were that thin.
If you're going to do any major work involving the timing belt and cooling hoses, do yourself a huge favor and do it all at once. You can also rip out the PAIR system while you're in there, and save yourself some aggravation down the road. |
Guy
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Username: guy
Post Number: 1490
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 09:39 pm: |
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Congrats brother, thats a heckuva of milestone, and all 48 2x plus Alaska is sumptin to brag about. I hope Coop doesn't issue out anymore challenges, and if I recall, he was just KIDDIN, when he made the bike sign statement.
My 2001 is stuck on 95k sumptin, I dunno how long its gonna take me to get to 100k ridin it part time. I promised it I'd take it on my spring tour in 05 but we'll see.
I count myself lucky to be along for many of those miles. You're good people.
Guy
www.bamarider.com |
Uncle Phil
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Username: phil_d
Post Number: 1202
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 10:28 pm: |
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CRAIG - Change oil? Now why would I want to do that with only 100,000 miles on it. It's just now getting broken in! Just for quick reference since you've BTDT - how much body work do you have to remove to do the hoses/PAIR/timing belt? I'm thinking shelter cover, fairing pockets and lower cowling. And how many hoses anyway? (I've obviously not looked at the book yet!)
PHIL F - The getting in your garage wasn't so bad, but the getting out sure was a DIFFERENT experience!
SPOCKY - I guess me and you could ride out to see Don!
SNAKEBITE - I'll always remember that bit of an ice storm we rode through. Sure got me thinking about a faceshield!
GUY - You didn't get stuck in one of them high priced Vermont hotels on this trip did you?
TIM - Wheel bearings every 30-50000 miles? I'm still running the originals but I will check them out. I've heard the WESTCO(?) batteries are supposed to be really good.
(Message edited by PHIL_D on October 17, 2004) |
Craig Severson
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Username: craig_severson
Post Number: 2806
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 11:14 am: |
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Phil asked Just for quick reference since you've BTDT - how much body work do you have to remove to do the hoses/PAIR/timing belt? I'm thinking shelter cover, fairing pockets and lower cowling. And how many hoses anyway?
Bodywork to remove:
* side covers
* top shelter
* fairing pockets
* maintenance covers
* lower cowl
I seem to recall that I removed one of my mid-cowls, Phil. Not sure....but not a very tough piece to deal with.
Mike Martin's site has a nice writeup that I used for the hose job. You won't have the oil cooler lines to deal with. Most of the job is fairly straightforward until it comes to the top radiator hose. That dude took me forever to replace....and I haven't done the timing belt job yet but I'd have to assume that you'd want to do that one BEFORE the hose job, since you need to get behind the radiator.
Wheels bearings are relatively simple to do but there's a slight trick to reinstalling them. Put the second bearing in slowly so you don't end up binding them against the inner spacer. You'll understand what this means when you dig into it.
Oh, and don't do the hoses when it's 10º outside! |
Pat Colgan
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Username: liketohelp
Post Number: 50
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 05:02 pm: |
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Ok, Phil,, I take it my website recommendation was no help to you then,,, Pat |
Craig Severson
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Username: craig_severson
Post Number: 2808
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 05:42 pm: |
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Pat-
it looks like whoever did that site just took Honda's maintenance schedule and extrapolated it out a few dozen thousand miles. Check plugs, air filter, oil change, yadda yadda yadda. I think Phil's looking for a deeper level of proactivity regarding his bike.
For example.....if my bike was located in Britain, I wouldn't let it get to 100K before I took out the swingarm and gave it a once-over with a fine toothed comb. Many documented cases of swingarm rot from the UK. Same deal with exhaust collectors. Yet you wouldn't find this recommendation on Honda's schedule.
You also don't see maintenance items on Honda's recommended schedule like "replace cooling hoses" or "replace O-rings on rear drive unit". I would maintain that 14 years of experience amongst Pan owners is a lot more valuable than mother Honda's vanilla maintenance recommendations. |
Martin B
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Username: martin_b
Post Number: 2452
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 05:50 pm: |
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Phil: You should probably take the forks off and get them rebuilt. By now I'm sure the bushings are shot. For a real treat, have Lindemann Engineering do them. But before you take them off, get someone to help you and measure your existing sag. That way, Lindemann will know what to do with the spring. Have them rebuild and revalve. |
Ron (Unregistered Guest)
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| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 06:02 pm: |
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I just follow the owners manual, to an extent. I hit 106k somewhere in rural N. Carolina this weekend. The rear bearings were replaced again a few weeks or so ago. They seemed fine when I put the last tire on. I need to do the fork oil and the timing belt is 16k over due. I did say to an extent. I just hate to take the bike down for a week or so to do all the work with prime riding season upon us. |
Pat Colgan
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Username: liketohelp
Post Number: 51
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 06:34 pm: |
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Hi Craig, Point taken,, but in my eyes it looked like Phil hadn't bothered to look, let alone acklowledge the mention of it.In Phil's post of 17 october posted at 03.25 he answers Tim,, Scott ,,, Rhona,,, No mention of my post. Maybe I'm smarting about the thought of being ignored,, Thanx for your post tho, ,,Pat,, |
Craig Severson
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Username: craig_severson
Post Number: 2809
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 07:06 pm: |
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Pat wrote "Maybe I'm smarting about the thought of being ignored"
Thicker skin required, Pat. Out of the 5 billion posts that I've served up here, I'm probably ignored 50% of the time. Which is OK...
The value of a particular post is always in the eye of the recipient, not the sender. |
Scott Brown
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Username: sbrownfnp
Post Number: 517
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 08:52 pm: |
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Craig: Did you say something.....? |
Paul Ward
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Username: wpward
Post Number: 723
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 09:19 pm: |
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Scott, don't pick on Craig. He's a very sensitive individual.  |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 09:27 pm: |
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Uncle Phil didn't mention my name either...mope, sulk, pout...
I'm feeling very anonymous...pout, sulk, mope... |
Craig Severson
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Username: craig_severson
Post Number: 2811
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 11:34 pm: |
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I sure wish Scott Brown would check into this thread since he has 500 thousand miles on his ST. He must have some advice for Phil. |
Uncle Phil
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Username: phil_d
Post Number: 1205
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 11:39 pm: |
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PAT - Sorry, no intentional snub intended, I just missed it. BTW, I've got the Clymer manual, the Haynes Manual, the Honda ST1100 manual and the Honda Common service manual. I've found on the ST that those who have done some of the stuff usually have a few tricks and oh-by-the-way things that never get put into the 'official' stuff. I appreciate your response and efforts trying to be helpful. As we say in Tennessee, whereabouts are you located?
MARTIN - I had the Progressive Springs put in at around 50,000 and new fork seals. Think I still need to fuss with them?
CRAIG - I thought you had done the timing belt deal in one of your reconstructions. Jay S out in Phoenix just did it and sent me a CD with photos of it. What's the URL to Mike's site?
JOHN - I like the 'listen' business. I knew some old mechanics in the hills that could do a pretty good job on cars like that.
ANONYMOUS - Cheer up - Name is now mentioned! |
Alan Tryhorn
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Username: geolofisto
Post Number: 298
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 12:21 am: |
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Anyone hear from Craig lately?
He used to be so active. |
Martin B
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Username: martin_b
Post Number: 2459
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 01:04 am: |
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Phil: Yes, I'd have them overhauled. The seals aren't the only part that wears. The bushings are important and prone to wear. 100,000 miles is a lot of miles. (You must be tired!) Wait until the cold and wet weather settles in and then pull the forks off and get them done. Maybe someone local if they know what they're doing. If you're really happy with the ride and the way they work, then just install new bushings with new seals and put in the best, racing quality fork oil you can. Or, if you want a more sporting ride, then have them revalved by someone who knows what they're doing.
And don't forget checking the sag. If the forks are compressing more than 25% of their total travel, then you need taller spacers at the very least. Let me know if you'd like more details on the how's and what's. Cheers! And congrats on your achievement. How many miles do you have, total, on all the bikes you've ever ridden? |
Dean Utendorf
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Username: utendorf
Post Number: 519
Registered: 02-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 01:16 am: |
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Craig only chimes in when alternators are mentioned!
Dean
'92 with ABS/TCS
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